romney among independents is winning by three points, so if romney's winning the independents and republicans, do you think in a battleground state like florida, he's nine points down? the answer is no. >> okay. that math doesn't actually work out because according to the florida poll, those who say they're most likely going to vote, 36% say they're democrats, 27% republicans and 33% independents, so as you can see, the math that karl rove laid out doesn't necessarily have to be so. let's bring in our panel here and talk about all of the polling here we do at cnn and how it works. cnn polls, one thing you may have heard is that the polls out there are assuming a higher turnout this election than last. a lot of people say that can't be so. there was so much passion and enthusiasm last time around. cnn polls do not assume any higher turnout, which is an important point of clarification. let's bring in roland martin from the democratic side and ron avalon. that has become a rallying cry. there have been a lot of carefully constructed polls put together by those on the right saying the polls assu